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It said ‘everything’s OK and the world is bigger than what’s just in my head.’ So how did you write Hurt?

I wrote that after I thought the record was finished.

I wouldn’t admit that to myself but when I wrote it I felt like I was sitting in a pile of rubble and there was a hint of regret and remorse.

The point was tearing down everything in a search for something else. But I’d never pushed myself to see what I was capable of because I didn’t have to.

I was trying to keep the songs in a framework that was tough and I learnt a lot from Jesus and Mary Chain about how to bury nice pop songs in unlistenable noise – the idea being if you can get behind that wall you find there’s a pearl inside. Interestingly enough, when I wrote the song I had no idea what was in store for me. That’s why the records since then have taken such a long time.

I wrote the album about somebody who follows this path who was an extension of me. On 1999’s The Fragile I was still lying to myself about what was really happening.

I had a little experiment in my life in my early 20s where I knew what I wanted to do but I was afraid to do it. Then I thought ‘what would happen if I get rid of all the shit I don’t need? It was like ‘fuck you’ and I became autonomous and turned inward and found all this hatred and ‘me against the world’ attitude.

And that hatred and isolation found expression in your music? Instead of punching the wall and having my hand hurt, I could write it down.

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